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In Stud 8, should I complete with a middle pair and a low card (8-8-4) against a deuce bring-in?
Heads-up, PokerToast's limit Stud 8 solver completes with a pair of 8s and a 4 against a deuce bring-in 99.4% of the time.
The spot
- Game: heads-up limit Stud 8, 3rd street.
- You: (8♠ 8♦) 4♣ (down cards in brackets): a pair of 8s in the hole with a 4 showing: a middling pair plus two low ranks (8, 4).
- Your opponent: shows a 2 and brought in (up: 2♥).
- Pot before this street: 0.3 small bets (the antes).
- Pot size and the numbers: the solver groups pots by size: its numbers here are averages over every pot of up to 1.5 small bets at this point, so in exactly this pot they would be a little different.
The solver's numbers
| Play | How often (strategy) | Worth from here on (EV estimate, small bets) |
|---|---|---|
| Complete | 99.4% | +0.53 |
| Call the bring-in | 0.6% | +0.36 |
| Fold | 0.0% | +0.00 |
Measured on 12,220 play-outs of this situation. The highlighted row is the play that measured best.
Why, in plain words
Complete is worth about 0.17 small bets more than call the bring-in on average from here on: putting more chips in now pays with this hand.
One limit of the model: here, when you just call, the street ends; under real rules the bring-in could still complete. That makes calling look a little better than it is, so where calling and completing are close, completing is at least as good.
What popular strategy articles say
Do not chase with only a high hand: if you are likely to hold the second-best pair, fold.
What strategy articles found by web search said on 2026-10-08 (PokerNews, Card Player, PokerStrategy, pokerskill and similar; mostly written between about 2007 and 2015, and mostly for full-ring games with several players in the pot).
Heads-up, the solver disagrees: it practically never chooses the recommended play (fold); its main play is complete (99.4%).
Measured value from here on: complete +0.53 small bets, fold 0 (folding).
The 3-handed solver doesn't follow the common advice either (it completes 97%).
Heads-up vs multiway
The numbers above are for heads-up play (two players). Most published advice is written for full-ring games with several players in the pot, so part of any difference can come from that.
3-handed (the bring-in shows a 2 and a third player showing a King is still to act behind you), PokerToast's 3-handed solver completes 97% of the time. So the heads-up answer holds with three players.
| Play | How often (strategy) | Worth from here on (EV estimate, small bets) |
|---|---|---|
| Complete | 97.3% | +0.45 |
| Call the bring-in | 2.7% | +0.50 |
| Fold | 0.0% | +0.00 |
From the 3-handed limit Stud 8 solver, trained 17,428,140 iterations, exported 2026-10-06 07:08:16, 301,198 situations (version E33-17428140-20261006070816); measured on 1,222 play-outs.
How these numbers were made
From PokerToast's own heads-up limit Stud 8 solver, trained 7,862,000 iterations, exported 2026-10-05 09:56:29, 47,383 situations (version E-7862000-20261005095629). It learned by self-play (Monte Carlo counterfactual regret minimization) for limit betting, at most four bets a street.
- How often is the solver's average strategy for this situation.
- Worth (EV) is an estimate measured after training by playing the situation out many times against the solver's own strategy: small bets won or lost from this decision on, compared with folding (0). It assumes an opponent who plays like the solver.
- Hand groups: the solver groups similar hands, so the numbers are for the group (here:
0|P/D2b1|-0|S|i), not only these exact cards. For each decision it looks at the street; your high hand (and flush draw); your low (made, or how many low cards you have and how many of the ones you need are dead); your opponent's board (a pair or an ace showing, and how many high cards they have for the low); the pot; and the betting so far on this street. - Stakes: ante 0.15 small bets per player, bring-in 0.25, a completion or bet on 3rd and 4th street is 1 small bet, 2 from 5th street.
- Looked up when this page was built (2026-10-19); a newly trained solver changes the page and its version number.
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